In which I would be just fine if I never heard the word "maverick" again

Maverick….Main Street…Maverick Team….Change…Washington Insiders…You betcha…ya know…small town values…

And of course, the droppin’ of the “g”….bringin’, changin’, reignin’….


We watched two debates last night. First, the American vice presidential one and then I watched the Canadian leaders one during one of Joseph’s late night feeds.

There are at least another two things that I think Americans would benefit from our system:

  1. SHORT ELECTION CYCLES. Seriously. We called our election and it’s happening in six weeks SIX WEEKS. These senators have all been absent from their roles for more than TWO YEARS. Stupid fixed election dates. Get back to work.
  2. Round table format for debates. Rather than a moderator going one at a time, ours is more relaxed and conversational but also confrontational as the leaders actually spar with one another instead of respond one at a time to the same question. They directly challenged each other’s answers and it seems more like a real debate/conversation than a side-by-side interview.


American Debate Thoughts:

  • I thought that Palin did pretty well for the first third or so. I’d even say she carried honours there. That cheeky “can I call you Joe?” was pretty cool and she was obviously well-rehearsed and prepared. Unlike her Katie Couric interviews and other candid moments, her verbs and nouns all agreed with one another so that’s another point. She certainly enjoyed low expectations going in so as long as she didn’t throw up or curse, she’d be considered to have held her own. But she did much better than that, particularly, as I said for the first bit. Then her folksy-cheekiness started to piss me off. You know what? You’re running for VP, for pity’s sake. Grow up. Cute doesn’t work on the world stage.
  • I disagree with the McCain-Palin ideas and plans etc. but you guys know that so I won’t go into that much. Content-wise, I understand there were a lot of “fact-checkers” busy last night though - and not because the two candidates were so good at telling the truth. 
  • By the mid-point of the debate though, it shifted to Biden. He was tremendous – strong, senatorial, gracious. I was very impressed with his handling of himself.
  • There were two moments that to me summed up why I struggle with Sarah Palin and why she actually kind of frightens me (by that, I mean, the thought of her in charge of the United States if anything were to happen to McCain….which is pretty likely…after all, he’s super-OLD). First of all, she never answered the questions. She was evasive and contradictory usually going back to her talking points even if they weren’t relevant. She wanted to frame the debate a certain way and even admitted at one point to “not answering the questions” because she wanted to “talk directly to the American people”. I do believe that answering the question would have afforded her the same privilege of talking directly to the American people but whatever. This showed me that she had memorized certain things and only could talk about these specific phrases and “zingers”. The second moment was when Joe Biden spoke meaningfully and tearfully about his own struggles as a parent after the loss of his wife and baby daughter. He roundly schooled Palin on the notion that mothers – and “small town folks” – somehow have the market cornered on a deep and abiding love for their children. It was very moving. I anticipated that she would at least say something along the lines of “you’re right – fathers are indispensable for the family” or something but she just coolly jumped right into “we’re mavericks’ for the 84,000th time. It showed a deep lack of compassion and ability to listen to me. Or maybe she just can’t think on her feet? Could only recite?
  • I found it interesting that everyone was saying Biden had to be careful not to come across too “hard” or harsh with Palin. I wonder if anyone would have those concerns if it was Hillary Clinton up there. Have we just accepted that Palin is a bit weaker and somehow, because she’s a woman, prone to burst into tears? I highly doubt Hillary would have engendered the same concern.
  • Overall, Biden won, hands down. But Palin didn’t embarrass herself either. So we move forward.


The Canadian Debate

  • I thought that Stephen Harper likely won the debate. I’m sure it killed him to not zing everyone around the table but he stayed calm and “prime ministerial”.
  • I hear that Dion just spanked him at the French debate (didn’t watch that one). But he seems like such a poor leader – shrill, panicky, Chicken-Little-ish to me.
  • Best line of the night? Gilles Duceppe informing the other leaders “none of us are going to win and we all know it.” BWAHAHAHAHA.
  • Overall, it was interesting to me that the Canadian people seemed so absent from this debate. It was all about how evil Harper is. These other four leaders keep banking on his unlikability to elect them. It was definitely dog-pile on Harper but he held his own. The issues weren’t really focused on us but more on them.
  • Well, hallelujah – Harper FINALLY admitted that he was wrong to try to push Canada into Iraq. Thank God we didn’t join the coalition there. Right now, we’re busy saving the world in Afghanistan still. And likely will continue to go it alone while the US remains mired in Iraq and NATO remains unwilling to touch any US-lead plan.
  • I wasn’t impressed with any of them. Not. One.
  • Here’s the thing: I’ve voted Conservative almost my entire life. But this year I am ripe for the picking because of Stephen Harper and the tone of the Conservatives lately. Even though I agree on most (certainly not all) of their points, I’ve found their style too American and negative. So I was pretty ready to abandon ship this election if there was at least a halfway alternative. And there simply isn’t. Not one of those leaders impressed me to vote them in for Class Secretary let alone Prime Minister.
  • So I’ll likely vote for the Conservatives. Despite my dislike of Stephen Harper (that whole fixed election date thing I didn’t agree with but then to break the promise? Not cool.), I simply can’t stomach any of the others. So now what? It’s best of the worst, I guess.


Only one more sleep until Tina Fey does her take on it! Yippeee!

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  • Sarah

    Comments (11)
    Scariest moment in the debate for me was when Mrs. Palin said that she'd like to expand the powers of the vice-presidency and winked!!!
    10/3/2008 2:22 PM Laoshi (message) block delete reply Palin's biggest blunder came when the moderator asked, "What campaign promises will you not be able to keep?" and Palin responded, "Well, I'm pretty new to this, only be here about five weeks, so I haven't really promised anything." Probably the worst answer she could have given.

    There are two different ways you can determine who won, one being content of their answers, the other being the impression given by your personality, and Biden definitely won the former while Palin won the latter.

    I didn't actually think Palin was taking a shot at Biden when she emphasized how well she could relate to the middle class since she's raised kids and had all the typical middle class issues to worry about herself, but when it switched to Biden he seemed to think she implied he was an unfeeling bureaucrat or something. I didn't she meant it personally at all – it just seemed like she was speaking for herself and what awareness she would bring to the White House.

    Although Biden was better, the debate probably did more for the McCain ticket since it definitely legitimized Palin for all the doubters out there who thought she would burst into tears when seriously challenged on anything.
    10/3/2008 2:55 PM StrokeofThought (message) block delete reply I think the debate came down pretty even. I agree with some of your points and disagree with others. BTW…. I distrust Obama more and more these days…this ACORN thing is really turned me off to him. I was never a supporter but now I really have a lot of concern should he become president. I'm amazed at how widely varying conclusions people come to in this election cycle. I guess that's life for ya!

    BTW…McCains mother and aunt (twins) are still alive,very healthy and sharp in their 90s. Obviously none of us is guaranteed tomorrow but I'm not worried about his age. I think that he's pretty hardy…he survived a POW camp, has been on a grueling campaign trail for nearly 2 years now–has 6 kids, etc. Also with age comes wisdom, experience, judgment. We should respect elders, not disparage them because of their age–regardless of their party.

    Also..I wouldn't jump ugly on a Canadian leader because of his accent. Are you saying Palin should have faked her accent instead of just been herself?

    I love you honey…I just think some of the smart critique is clouded by some petty commentary.

    Seems like you are saying Palin is too inexperienced, McCain too old. So I guess Obama is "just right" for you. To each his own.
    10/3/2008 6:09 PM Venicestar (message)

  • Sarah

    block delete reply I agree, I am SO glad our election season is shorter here in Canada, and I liked the round table thingy, though I've heard it critiqued pretty hard, wonder if it will happen again. I do think we need more then the 2 nights of debate, especially if we're going to have 5 different parties at the table. I just didn't think we got to hear nearly enough. I really liked the questions being asked by real Canadians and that we got to submit questions, I just wish more of our questions could have been answered. I submitted a question, but it was too specific to be addressed in so little debate time.

    I like Harper, I believe the guy! He seems so much more balanced then the rest, and realistic. I think he's likable and will definitley vote for him again. I could give a hoot about the fixed election thing, it's such a non issue for me, and really, I think in the grand scheme of Canadian life it's really not important. I heard Harper say early on that he was going to stay focused on issues and not make personal attacks. And from what I've seen he's done just that. I just like him the more I see him, and he doesn't seem American in his ways at all to me!

    Dion, I just feel sad for him. He looks frail, and like he's going to cry at any moment. His fragility and frankly, that he's so difficult to understand in English is a big deterent. I think his carbon tax makes no sense at all. I don't get it, "we're going to tax you, and then you can get it all back in tax breaks and credits …." WHY? Just sounds like a lot of paper work that makes no sense to me. It's all I really know about him and it's pretty lame. There's got to be better and more straight forward ways of being green and cutting our emissions.

    Layton, he's got more charisma then any of the others …. but I don't trust charisma! I feel like people who are super charasmatic are trying to pull the wool over my eyes, and this is why I like the Harper isn't horribly charasmatic. I also have a difficult time with transference with Layton, as he reminds me of a man in our past church who was full of criticism, but never helped or had ideas to improve things. I think the NDP have some interesting concepts, but have no idea how to run a country. They are notorious for making huge spending promises with no plan on how to get the money needed. Which is why provinces that have NDP gov't often go into debt.

  • Sarah

    May, was interesting! I didn't expect to like her at all, but she is one smart woman who really seemed to know her stuff! She impressed me when she spoke. The thing I didn't like about her was her finger pointing. I hate when people point their fingers at people, her and Duceppe and Layton all did this, and I just find that so disrespectful.

    Duceppe's comment you mentioned I loved too!! And his English is so much easier to understand then Dion's. Other then that, I was glad to hear no mention of Quebec separtist ideology … me thinks Quebecers have moved on, or he'd be humming on that one.

    The one other item of interest for me in the Canadian debate, was when the moderator/journalist called Dion out. Layton brought up how someone important in the Liberal party (I thought he said the Ontario Priemer?) doesn't agree with Dion's Carbon Tax, Dion said that wasn't true, and then the moderate spoke several sentences in a row, the only time I saw him do this the whole night, and basically called Dion out as a liar, and that this other Liberal really had disagreed with him. I havent heard anyone comment on this in the media, but frankly, I think the moderator put the final hole in the sinking boat.

    I have only seen snippets of the American VP debate … and what I saw looked like they were flirting with each other! Just the way it was edited, perhaps. Her winking, come on … it's like an obvious attempt at manipulation. I thought Biden was happy to have a pretty woman to look at, and she likes to be admired, so they were a flirty match. I didn't listen much …. her accent coming out of her pretty face just throws me off. I mostly feel sorry for Americans, I don't like any of their choices, and I think it's sad they only really have 2 parties to chose from. I like that we have these grassroots parties that spring up once in a while up here, and some that do well, and change the scene of politics for a bit. I think it keeps us on our toes.

    This sure got long! I think I'll have to put it on my blog as an entry!
    10/3/2008 8:29 PM Tasia007 (message) block delete reply

  • Sarah

    @Venicestar – I don't have a problem with her accent. It's more her tone – cutesy and folksy and very over-done. And I wasn't disparaging McCain because of his age. It's a real concern that he's elderly and has health problems in the past so it's more likely that if any VP is going to ascend 'the throne' it'll be Palin rather than Biden.

    I agree that it's interesting how everyone can see the same thing and walk away with totally different perspectives. Almost like in a family – two kids raised by the same parents, same home and yet can be totally opposite! Love you too!

    10/4/2008 10:50 AM EmergingMummy (message) delete reply @Tasia007 – Great comment, Jill!
    10/4/2008 10:51 AM EmergingMummy (message) delete reply @StrokeofThought – I agree – that's another big blunder. Good point. I didn't care for her style either so I thought Biden carried honour on both points but I will allow for the fact that I am biased. LOL
    10/4/2008 10:52 AM EmergingMummy (message) delete reply @Laoshi – The wink put me over the top!
    10/4/2008 10:52 AM EmergingMummy (message) delete reply I found Governor Palin charming and was glad to see her live instead of snippets taken from long interviews and skewed by so called "journalists". Maybe what I find charming is that she isn't perfect. I am also drawn to her for several reasons but one of the biggest is that she isn't a DC insider. I'll be happy to admit that since we are also the same age and both have a special needs child, I feel as if I connect with her on some level.

    Canada sounds even more attractive when you mention not having to endure two years of campaigns! Sheesh! I am so weary! Do we even need another debate? Can the candidates JUST talk about their own records or what they will do instead of trying so hard to discredit the other one? Its just too much homework to try and decide who to believe! Don't get me started on the media's interptetation of the candidates and their running mates. I have had too much experience with journalists and their misinterpretations to be able to believe what they say.

    The Sunday morning talk shows are going to make my head spin!
    10/4/2008 11:24 PM Jemelene (message) block delete reply I could write a lengthy response here, but won't for the same reason I chose not to write a blog on this same debate. I don't really think my opinion matters to anyone other than me. Most people have made up their minds already. Plus, I've found it very divisive and honestly am sick and disgusted with politics right now. I have never seen such hate spewed by both sides and am fed up with all of it.

    I am all in favor of a shorter election cycle stateside and would also be in favor of a major overhaul of our political system in general. The electoral college, the two party system…let's just toss it and start over.
    10/6/2008 11:20 AM Brittaney delete reply @Brittaney – I agree that's getting pretty disgusting. The nice thing since we're up here is we can just ignore it. Plus with no TV we don't have the pundits etc. to deal with. I am in agreement that our opinions only matter to us but it's still fun. Brian is in agreement with you on 'toss it and start over'. Love you!
    10/7/2008 7:38 PM EmergingMummy (message) delete reply